Today was the latest hearing for Rifqa Bary. Apparently, the next one will be Sept. 29th. I will link articles containing updates on today's hearing as I find them.
September 3, 2009: At the Rifqa Bary hearing, Orlando, Florida: Jihad Watch
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I hope this works out well, Jeff.
A good thing is that some of the negative aspects of radical Islam are published.
satire and theology,
A good thing is that some of the negative aspects of radical Islam are published.
Yes. Hopefully people will listen and will wake up to the truth.
The evil that people commit, and the horrible, repulsive atrocities that people stoop to, constantly amazes me. Even though I guess I should be used to it by now, at times I am still shocked by how evil and wicked and horrible people are. That a father wants to murder his own 17-year-old daughter just because she became a Christian; that another father shot both his teenage daughters, holding the gun to their skin, shooting them over and over, simply because they were dating non-Muslim boys; that a man would marry a 10-year-old girl and, when she kept running away from him, he, along with the girl's parents, actually decapitated her and dismembered her! And such shocking atrocities have been happening for thousands of years by sinful, wicked human beings. It is just unbelievable to me sometimes. How people can then say that God is unjust for sending people to Hell is beyond me. What blows my mind far more, and is totally incomprehensible to me, is how, in the midst of such horrible, wicked evil, and such a corrupted, horrible world of people, Jesus Christ, God the Son, would actually step down from Heaven and be born as one of the creatures He created, and actually humble Himself to live as a human, even to the extent of being tortured and slowly, painfully dying a criminal's death, so that a chosen remnant will live with Him forever in Heaven. It helps me understand when I realize that part of the reason God did that was to bring glory to His Name, but still, the incomprehensible love that it took to do such a thing is just beyond my understanding.
I agree with you Jeff!
Hi Jeff,
FYI
I have tried your Yahoo Babel Fish translator twice and it has not worked.
Happy Weekend.
Li Martins,
I agree with you Jeff!
Thank you, Li! And thank you also for your comment!
thekingpin68,
Hi Jeff,
FYI
I have tried your Yahoo Babel Fish translator twice and it has not worked.
Ah, man...I just now tried it twice, with 2 different languages, and it gave an error message. Frustrating. Maybe I will just delete it.
Happy Weekend.
Thank you. The same to you. There is a thunderstorm now, so I need to turn off my computer before I lose electricity. I don't want my computer damaged by lightning, which has happened to others here.
Below is the message I e-mailed WESH.com, TV channel 2 in Orlando, after their
news story yesterday that very strongly implied that the Pastor in Orlando (whose
e-mails I have been getting, and whose father-in-law personally answered some questions
I had the other week at a question-and-answer session) brainwashed Rifqa Bary (whose
next court hearing in Orlando is Sept. 28th, I believe). Following is the e-mail I sent them:
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Your Tues. Sept. 15 news report on Rifqa Bary was completely misleading, and betrays lazy, incomplete, shoddy investigation skills. For one thing, you need to learn about the Islamic practice of Al-Takeyya, which is lying for the sake of Islam. You also need to learn what it means to be dhimmitized, and that groups like CAIR are working hard to dhimmitize Americans, and especially the news media. The U.N. estimates that 5,000 honor killings occur each year, though this estimate is likely very low, since most honor killings are not reported, and others are reported as something other than an honor killing.
The honor killings I have researched have been where, for example, a Muslim man murders his wife or daughter(s) for becoming too "Westernized"---for wearing jeans, for smoking cigarettes, for refusing to wear the hijab, or for dating non-Muslim boys. Rifqa's case is not just about an honor killing, however. She is also, according to the Qur'an and hadiths, guilty of apostasy, which is considered a crime far more serious than what Muslim girls and women are usually murdered for in honor killings. In countries under Shari'a law, it is a capital crime, punishable by death, for a Muslim to convert to any other religion. The Qur'an clearly teaches this, and Rifqa's parents are devout Muslims who strictly follow the Qur'an. A poll revealed that 78 percent of Pakistanis, for example, support the death penalty for leaving Islam. Muslims that leave Islam (apostasy) MUST be killed. (Bukhari 4:52:260) Quoting Mohammed: “...if a Muslim discards his religion, kill him.”
Rifqa Bary is not lying. Neither is she deceived. She knows exactly what will happen to her if she is sent back to her parents.
On several occasions friends of Rifqa would bring her down to the school counselor because of bruises on her legs and her arms, beatings suffered at the hands of her father and brother. The middle school, in a serious dereliction of duty, did not report these beatings to child welfare services. Beatings were random, violent, unprovoked. Take, for example, when Rifqa and her father Mohammad were driving in the car. He would force her to wear the hijab, which she hated. In her discomfort she would slouch down, embarrassed, and her father would haul off and sock her in the face so that she never forgot to sit up straight in her costume. The beatings were regular and so much a part of the landscape of Rifqa's life, she became inured to them, just like Amina and Sarah and Aqsa and every "honor" victim.
It was only when the members of the Muslim community at Noor Islamic Cultural Center warned her father that his daughter was an apostate that Rifqa bolted. She had to run: he vowed to kill her in the time-honored Islamic tradition of honor killings. The Noor Islamic Cultural Center has a notorious reputation for extremist ties. Salah Sultan was the scholar in residence at the Noor mosque. Salah Sultan, internationally renowned Islamic hate sheikh from Hilliard, Ohio, was recorded on Egyptian Al-Nas TV preaching Jew hatred. Sultan also warns of the forthcoming destuction and deaths of Americans, vowing that more Americans will be killed than Palestinians in Gaza — and soon!
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Let me mention some examples of honor killings:
On New Year's, 2008, Yaser Said shot both his teenage daughters, Amina and Sarah, holding the gun to their skin, shooting them over and over, simply because they were dating non-Muslim boys. A man in one Muslim country married a 10-year-old girl and, when she kept running away from him, he, along with the girl's parents, actually decapitated her and dismembered her! I watched a video of four little boys in Saudi Arabia who were play-acting a beheading. I saw another scene on video, again in Saudi Arabia, where a 12-year-old boy was given the "honor" of decapitating an adult male, and afterward, he proudly held up the decapitated head. Islam is not merely a religion---it is a state. In countries under Shari'a law, it controls the government, the clothes you wear, the words you say, what you eat, what the stores are allowed to sell, and every aspect of life. Islam is a religion of death. It is also a religion of pedophiles, because many Muslims teach, condone and practice marrying girls as young as 1 year old and younger. Their role model is Muhammad himself, who married a 6-year-old girl, though he did not have sex with her until she was 9 years old.
When she was just 19, Sandeela Kanwal traveled from America to Pakistan for an arranged marriage to a cousin twice her age. Less than six years later, July 2008, she was dead — strangled with a bungee cord because her father could not accept the "disgrace" a divorce or affair would bring on his family — an honor killing.
In 2003, a mother in Vancouver, B.C., who was an upstanding woman in Vancouver's Punjabi community, gave a long-distance order via cell phone for an honor killing, instructing them to cut the throat of Jaswinder "Jassi" Kaur Sidhu, a beautiful 25-year-old Indian Canadian woman, in order to restore the family's honor.
In April of this year (2009), Ayman Udas, a rising female vocalist in Peshawar, the capital of Pakistan's Northwest Frontier Province, was shot at her home, allegedly by her own brothers. Her husband told reporters that his wife was killed because she broke family traditions. Her two brothers, Alamgir and Ismail, disapproved of her divorce, remarriage, and her artistic career, all of which disgrace a family's name in conservative Islamic society.
In March of this year, a Muslim girl was severely beaten, repeatedly, scared to death of her family (and rightly so), and ultimately brutally murdered because she refused forced Islamic marriage in Turkey. The young Turkish woman was beaten to death with a stick, her face unrecognizable, because she loved the wrong man and was pregnant with his child. Her boyfriend, Altin P., age 25, complained, "She must die, because she wanted to live like a normal woman!" Her acquaintances believe it was an honor killing.
In March of this year, in Britain, an abused wife and an honor-killing victim, Sabina Akhtar, was stabbed to death by her husband, Malik Mannan, who had beaten her repeatedly and warned that he would kill her. She had previously warned the police that he would kill her, but they did nothing. Using both hands to squeeze her windpipe, he ordered her to read passages from the Qur'an. Then he said to Sabina: "I am going to get a knife and when I return I am going to slaughter you."
Morsal Obeidi, a 16-year-old Afghan immigrant, was ambushed in the parking lot of a Hamburg, Germany, McDonald's restaurant by her 23-year-old brother Ahmad, who stabbed the girl 20 times, merely because she had become too comfortable with Western life with her uncovered hair, makeup and short skirts. Prior to her murder, she reportedly had sought the protection of a child and youth welfare agency to escape the violence on more than one occasion.
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Rand Abdel-Qader, 17, was butchered to death by her father in an "honor killing" after she befriended and fell in love with a British solider in Basra. Upon hearing the news, her father rushed home and began to strangle her while stabbing her repeatedly and screaming that he was “cleansing his honor.” The 22-year-old British soldier does not appear to have done anything wrong by befriending the teen. There is no evidence that the two shared a physical relationship. She was proud to be a virgin and had a dream to give herself to the man she loved only after her marriage. The teen was buried quickly, without the traditional mourning because she was "deemed impure," the Mail reported. Her uncles reportedly spat on her body as it was being buried.
Zein Isa, a Palestinian terrorist who lived in St. Louis, was convicted of killing his daughter Palestina in 1989. Investigators say he was furious she had a black boyfriend, went to a school dance and got a job at Wendy's. Palestina's mother held her down as Isa plunged a 9-inch knife into his daughter's chest; actions the FBI picked up on a microphone as they investigated Isa for his terrorist ties.
Waheed Mohammad, a 22-year-old immigrant from Afghanistan, was shamed by his sister, who he thought was a "bad Muslim girl." At his mother's behest, investigators say, he tried to "stop" his sister, stabbing her multiple times, though she survived and spoke to FOX News.
I saw a video of a girl who at 11 years old, tried to commit suicide by fire because of being raped and beaten by her Muslim husband (via a forced marriage).
Another girl, 12 years old, showed the injuries from where her Muslim husband attacked her with a knife, and was afraid he was going to kill her.
Here are some more examples of honor killings:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/03/honor-killing-islams-gruesome-gallery.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,494785,00.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9vzUQwMJ1I&feature=related
http://infidelsarecool.com/2009/07/23/honor-killing-in-canada-three-muslim-sisters-murdered-parents-and-brother-arrested/
http://teaandpolitics.wordpress.com/2009/07/29/canada-honor-killings-on-the-rise-expert-says/
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/story.html?id=d05e437f-4661-4965-9455-ff30c6b9d4a5&k=20265
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.aedfa67aba3a4b9bc9c7c596a5f93d5c.2b1&show_article=1
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/06/20/the-dallas-honor-killings-revisited/
http://righttruth.typepad.com/right_truth/2008/01/honor-killings.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/irshad-manji/honor-killings-come-to-am_b_111549.html
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/an_american_honor_killing_EVZEQWMYqDy4smEJpgx6WO
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/08/10/honor_killing_comes_to_the_us/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aikmkVMXGsM&feature=related
http://www.irshadmanji.com/im-saudi-rape-case-whats-honorable-about-honor
Florida Keystone Kops ignore mountains of evidence, then find "no credible proof" that ex-Muslim teen Rifqa Bary is in danger
Here are accounts from Rifqa's friends Jamal Jivanjee and Brian Williams -- both of which differ significantly from the FDLE's findings. Rifqa Bary Update. "FDLE report on ex-Muslim runaway teen criticized: Report finds no 'credible' proof Rifqa Bary's life is endangered," by James A. Smith Sr. for Florida Baptist Witness, September 15:
ORLANDO (FBW) - A Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigation has found no "credible" evidence that Christian convert Rifqa Bary is endangered by her Muslim parents she fled in July in fear of her life.
Supporters of the Ohio teen, however, called the FDLE report a "travesty of justice," and one Islam expert criticized the report as "political correctness" that will endanger the girl's life.
The FDLE report, which was unsealed Sept. 14 by Judge Daniel Dawson of Orange County's Ninth Judicial Circuit Court, summarizes the department's investigation of Rifqa Bary's claims that her father, Mohamed Bary, threatened her life in June after learning of her conversion to Christianity....
According to the FDLE report, on Aug. 24 Rifqa told FDLE investigators that she was fearful for her life because of the Islamic teaching she understood to require death for Muslims who convert to Christianity.
FDLE investigators interviewed Rifqa's parents at their Westerville, Ohio, home on Aug. 27. Her father denied ever striking and threatening Rifqa, although he admitted during his confrontation with his daughter about her conversion that he grabbed the lap top computer and intended to throw it, but decided against doing so because of its expense.
Brian Williams, a 21-year-old friend of Rifqa, contacted FDLE on Aug. 28, noting that he filed a report with the Columbus Police Department that she had told him about her father's threat and her mother finding Christian materials in July. Williams also told FDLE he baptized Rifqa in June. He also said he drove Rifqa from a friend's house to the bus station when she decided to flee.
Concerning "honor killings" for apostasy from Islam, Mohamed Bary emphatically rejected the reality of the concept, by answering "absolutely not," adding "there is no such thing as honor killing."
Oh, really?
The FDLE report noted during the Aug. 27 interview with the Bary family, two officials of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) were present, including CAIR attorney Romin Iqbal who characterized honor killings as "cultural and tribal, not related directly to the Islamic religious practice."
Mohamed Bary said he does intend to raise his minor daughter as a Muslim, but she would be permitted to "study Christianity," and as an adult "she would be free to worship as she pleased," according to the FDLE report.
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The FDLE reported, "The Islamic community was not investigated. And investigation into any person, religious or social organization without a specific identifiable criminal predicate is inappropriate."
The report further asserted, "Ms. Bary's concern that she may be killed because of her conversion from Islam to Christianity remains a subjective and speculative concern in that FDLE's inquiry to date has failed to reveal any evidence of a conspiracy to commit, solicitation to commit, attempt or other efforts to commit any such action or other violence against her."
According to Ergun Mehmet Caner, the FDLE report is an example of "political correctness" that may endanger Rifqa's life.
"Her blood, which is almost certain to be shed if returned, is on their hands. The police and judicial branch in Florida were her last hope," Caner said in a Sept. 15 interview with Florida Baptist Witness.
Caner, who converted to Christianity as a 16-year-old in Columbus, Ohio, grew-up in the mosque, the Islamic Foundation of Central Ohio, out of which the Bary family mosque was started and remains connected.
Caner's father, the family mosque's architect, disowned his son - and two others - for converting to Christianity.
Now a Baptist minister and president of Liberty Theological Seminary in Lynchburg, Va., Caner is a well-known apologist for the Christian faith - activity for which a fatwa, an Islamic religious ruling calling for his death, was issued last year.
Because of his outspoken repudiation of Islam and defense of Christianity, Caner said he has to take special security precautions.
Caner told the Witness, "Death for apostasy from Islam is firmly rooted in the most sacred Muslim texts," citing the Qur'an and the Hadith, collections about Islam's prophet, Muhammad.
"There is also a consensus by all four schools of Sunni Islamic jurisprudence, as well as Shi'ite jurists, that apostates from Islam must be put to death," he said.
Caner emphatically rejected Mohamed Bary's claim that Rifqa would be permitted to study Christianity as a minor and worship as a Christian when she becomes an adult.
"Islam does not allow this. She brings dishonor to her family by her Christian faith," he said.
Caner criticized the FDLE for permitting CAIR representatives to be present during the Aug. 27 interview of the Bary family, calling it "a form of intimidation. Was [Rifqa's] Christian friend allowed in as well? Of course not."
CAIR, a Muslim civil liberties and advocacy organization, is credible only to other Muslims, according to Caner....
from:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/09/florida-keystone-kops-ignore-mountains-of-evidence-then-find-no-credible-proof-that-ex-muslim-teen-r.html
Alan Kornman, with the Orlando chapter ACT for America, says that many fear the secular media isn't taking seriously the issues at play in the Rifqa Bary case. "It is almost like Rifqa is on trial," said Kornman. "The secular media has been very hostile towards her and irresponsible in its reporting." John Stemberger, an Orlando attorney representing the teen, told Crosswalk.com, "There is a strong media bias against this case. Outlets like CNN are choosing to completely ignore the case, while others are covering the story as if Rifqa was wrong for following her Christian convictions." These "honor killings," in which the victims are usually women, serve both to "cleanse" the social or spiritual stain of the victim, and to warn others who might be tempted to breach that same code of conduct.
But the Barys' actions lend some credibility to Rifqa's claims. Her father reportedly dissolved his jewelry business on July 29 after he discovered her faith, making conservative pundits like Pamela Geller speculate that the family was preparing to return to Sri Lanka. Since then, the girl's parents have signed affidavits declaring themselves indigent [lacking food, clothing, and other necessities of life because of poverty; needy; poor; impoverished] despite the successful business. As a result, the Florida court appointed taxpayer-funded attorneys for both the father and the mother. "I am sure the industrious Barys will claim poverty so expect the inevitable denials," said Geller on her blog. "But clearly it calls into question their honesty, their character and the lengths they will go to."
Dr. W. L. Cati, an American woman who married a Muslim man and later converted to Islam, knows firsthand the challenges Rifqa may face. After years of abuse and mind control, the former Miss Alabama and Mrs. Alabama says she divorced her Syrian-born husband who had ties to the militant group, Hezbollah. She now assists women and children trying to leave the Islamic religion. Dr. Cati said, "Rifqa's fears are legitimate."
From The Case of Rifqa Bary: An Honor Killing in America?
Florida Department of Law Enforcement earns an "F"
Couple who sheltered Rifqa Bary speak
FDLE inspires confidence: it "cobsulted" with other "law enforcment entitities" in reaching its "invsigative" findings on Rifqa Bary
I have seen some people on various sites and discussion boards asking if Rifqa Bary could ask for emancipation. But, unfortunately:
From expertlaw.com:
Ohio has no emancipation law. Neither a minor (< 18) nor the minor's parent is able to file a petition for emancipation.
A minor can achieve independence from a parent in two ways:
1. Lawful marriage; or
2. Successful enlistment in any branch of the Armed Forces.
Rifqa Bary Hearing Yesterday
Rifqa Bary Death Threat: Exhibit A, The Document: FATWA (Death Penalty) for Apostasy
Two Statements on the Punishment of the Apostate According to Islamic Law
Still no resolution in Rifqa Bary case as legal proceedings continue
Of all the filthiest acts the MSM could commit in their demonization of Rifqa Bary, not to mention the "parents" themselves, do you know what they've done now? Rifqa's Parents gave her diaries to the Orlando Sentinel to publish. Of course, there's the question if anything extra was fabricated in their drive to demonize her.
RIFQA BARY: CAIR Puppet Ohio Governor Strickland Shills for Un-Indicted Co- Conspirator CAIR, On the Islamic Payroll
"Doting" "Loving" Radical Muslim Parents Release Rifqa Bary's Personal Diaries and Private writings to CAIR and to the Media
Things Not Looking Good for Rifqa
Dave Gaubatz, the first U.S. civilian Federal Agent deployed to Iraq in 2003, is the owner of DG Counter-terrorism Publishing. Gaubatz stated, "I have visited over 200 Islamic Centers throughout America. The vast majority teach the worshipers 'Apostates should be killed' because it is a major sign of disrespect to Allah, the family of the Apostate is dishonored, and it may lead others to leave Islam." He said that Rifqa Bary is in real danger. He said he would prepare a sworn affidavit with several references he has obtained from numerous mosques across America (to include Ohio) that clearly state Rifqa and any Muslim who leaves Islam is subject to death. He also stated that social workers, law enforcement judicial persons, or elected officials who publicly state there is no evidence suggesting Rifqa Bary is at risk, are very incompetent and do not need to be in a position of authority in regards to protecting the interests of children in America. He said the person should resign, be fired, and/or be held legally accountable for their clear incompetence that puts a child at risk. He said that not only do CAIR and ISNA executives condone and support the killing of apostates from Islam, but leaders from MANA (Siraj Wahhaj) and MSA do as well. He said there is an enormous amount of evidence to show these leaders who are supposed to be representative of Islam advocate killing Muslims like Rifqa Bary who have ultimately dishonored Islam. He added that there are several Muslim U.S. politicians who are very much aware that Rifqa Bary and numerous other children are also at risk, and that people should be asking why they are not standing up for this child. He stated that the reason is because nothing or no one comes before Islam, not even an innocent child, if they dishonor the religion. He said that for several years he has informed the public there are Islamic leaders throughout America who advocate the death penalty for Apostates.
Bruce Bawer, at The International Free Press Society and Free Thinking Films, stated that in many cases Muslims shamefully close their eyes to honor killings. He said the murders by parents and siblings, of girls and women who in some cases doing no more than looking at a boy the wrong way, have according to Islamic beliefs, soiled family honor. European authorities are so much a prisoner of multiculturalism that they could actually believe that their obligation in such matters is not to protect innocent children from brutality, but to display sensitivity to cultural difference, he said.
Rifqa is not a little child. She is a teenager, only months away from being of legal age! Even more reason that she should be allowed to stay apart from her parents!
Compare Rifqa's case to this: This month, thanks to Wal-Mart and the city of Peoria, Az., some photo-clerk vigilante, diligently on the lookout for child pornography, saw photos of kids during bath time and decided to call the cops, according to a story on "Good Morning America."
Next thing the parents of these kids knew, the children were removed from their home---for an entire month. Mom got suspended from her job at a school for a year and both -- Anthony and Lisa Demaree -- were added to a list of sex offenders. The medical examiner found no evidence of abuse. The eight bath time photos, which were only 8 photos out of the 144 photos the parents took of their family vacation, were taken of their three girls---18 months, 4 years old and 5 years old---only partially nude (at least some of them wrapped in towels). The judge in the case said the pics were harmless. Despite the parents' plea that the photos were merely innocent shots of the kids goofing around at bath time, Child Protective Services removed the three girls from their home. After a month, the girls were returned...but the damages were done.
I read another case where children were taken away from parents merely because the children were spanked.
And yet, when Rifqa Bary faces being murdered by her father, they want to send this girl back to her father. Absurd!
According to Islam, it is not permitted for Muslims to reject their faith, so if a Muslim were to leave Islam and adopt another religion, they would thereby be committing a sin in the eyes of Islam. Islam prohibits a Muslim from changing his religion and it’s a crime that must be punished. Changing religions from Islam to another faith is interpreted as an act of apostasy. The Islamic mindset dictates that such apostasies can undermine the foundations of Muslim societies. Westerners, who are used to freedom of speech, freedom of religion, etc., have a hard time understanding this. Muslims know this, and they will use doubletalk to deceive Westerners, in order to advance Islam and hopefully gain converts. Ibn Abbaas said : The Messenger of Allah said, “Whoever changes his (Islamic) religion, kill him.” Al-Bukhary (number 6922). Abd-Allah ibn Masood said : The Messenger of Allah said : “It is not permissible to shed the blood of a Muslim who bears witness that there is no god except Allah and that I am the Messenger of Allah, except in one of three cases : a soul (in case of murder) ; a married person who commits adultery ; and one who leaves his religion and separates from the main body of Muslims.” Sahih Al Bukhary number 6484 and Sahih Muslim number 1676.
An Apostate in Islam is a Muslim who rejects Islam after being either born into it or after embracing it as a convert from some other religion. An apostate is looked upon as worse than an infidel who has never professed faith in Allah and Mohammad as his prophet or in any way practiced Islam.
Apostasy in Islam is equal to treason.
In Islam, politics and religion are inseparably intertwined. A famous fundamental expression in Islam says it all, “Islam is a religion and a state.” It is obvious that treason within Islam has spiritual and cultural dimensions. It does not write-off the public rejection of its fundamentals as merely private matters of personal preference in regard to religion. Such actions are viewed as bad influences on Islamic societies as a whole that could escalate into widespread sedition. That is why they deal with it so harshly.
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