If you will watch all of the videos, you will see that the African elite were also responsible. So, not just Europeans, but Arabs; and not just Arabs, but Africans. All were responsible for slavery, and slavery has existed even thousands of years ago. The Europeans actually joined the slave trade very late in the game. However, it was the West that brought an end to slavery. Nevertheless, slavery still exists today in some nations. Christians are sold as slaves.
" Im.mad.as.HELL! | October 20, 2009 5:21 PM | Reply
Just watched all five clips of the history of the slave trade. It looks as though the slave history is correct based upon what I have read before. It is well worth the time to view the clips.
The most interesting part was the story of Prof. Tioud in the fifth clip. He presented the true history of slavery in Africa at a conference the reaction from his mixed African and European audience surprised him because of the rage and denial. Afterward some fellow Africans came and told him that what he had said was true but he should not have brought the subject up with whites present. The Europeans privately congratulated him on his bravery because he would be called a racist. The video goes on and explains the motives in a vague 'old scares take time to heal' way and it is a complex issue. I disagree with that POV.
My thoughts are that the Africans and Arabs had agreed (this was mentioned in the video) to secretly blame it on the Europeans and Americans. This is to gain advantage in the overall Jihad with the west and to possibly get Jizyah as well. The African see the money. The Arabs see Allah.
This also shows again that Islam's guilt will never be admitted. When in fact the slave trade was just a bad if not worse than what the west. The video made it clear that Africans were just as guilty in the slave business. It supported the economy of the Africa for hundreds of years and it has never been vetted of guilt. The current new African governments are gaming the lies for foreign aid."
Slavery is first mentioned in the Bible in the book of Genesis in part of the account of Noah. The account says that Noah became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent. Ham–--one of his sons--–entered the tent and saw his father naked. When Noah woke up he cursed Canaan, Ham's son, and said his descendants will be slaves of his brothers. (Genesis 9:20-27)
Another mention of slavery is in Leviticus 25: 44-46. It says: "44 Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."
While slavery was probably the norm in the ancient near east, the Israelites were specifically forbidden to take their fellow countrymen as permanent slaves. Exodus 21 makes some limited provision for the eventual liberation of slaves and certain minor protections against ill-treatment. The Torah also exhibits some concern for the well-being of foreign slaves living in Israel - e.g. the Sabbath rest is explicitly extended to slaves (Ex. 20:10).
God, in the Torah, is presented as the redeemer God, who delivers his people from slavery (e.g. Exodus 6.6). Slavery is thus seen as an undesirable and unnatural state of affairs.
"In 1784, William Wilberforce was converted to Evangelical Christianity. Wilberforce now became interested in social reform, in particular improving working conditions in factories. Millions of men, women and children had no choice but to work sixteen hours, six days a week in grim factories. People had come to the cities to find work but had been exploited and crowded together in filthy apartments. Here, they could easily catch cholera, typhoid, and tuberculosis.
Eventually, Lady Middleton (neè Albinia Townshend, elder sister of Thomas Townshend, 1st Viscount Sydney) approached Wilberforce and asked him to use his power as an MP to stop the slave trade. Wilberforce wrote "I feel the great importance of the subject and I think myself unequal to the task allotted to me," but he agreed to do his best. On 12 May 1789, Wilberforce made his first speech against the slave trade. He was now seen as one of the leaders of the anti-slave trade movement.
Most of William's fellow party members, Tories, were against any limits to the slave market but Wilberforce persisted. Even when his first bill, in 1791, was defeated by a landslide of 163 votes to 88, Wilberforce did not give up. In 1805 the House of Commons finally passed a law that made it illegal for any British subject to transport slaves but the House of Lords blocked it. In 1807, William Grenville made a speech saying that the slave trade was "contrary to the principles of justice, humanity and sound policy". This time, when the vote was taken, a huge majority in the House of Commons and the House of Lords backed the proposal. It became law on 25 March 1807. After 1807, with the support of friends such as Beilby Porteus, the Bishop of London, he continued to fight for the complete emancipation of slaves in the British Empire.
Although British captains were fined £100 for every slave that was found aboard their ship, this did not stop the trade. If a slave-ship was in danger of being captured by the Navy, the captain would order the slaves to be thrown overboard in order to reduce the fine. Some of the campaigners realized that the only way to stop slavery completely was to make it illegal. Wilberforce disagreed with this because he thought that both the slaves and their owners would suffer as a result. "It would be wrong to emancipate (the slaves). To grant freedom to them immediately would be to insure not only their masters' ruin, but their own. They must (first) be trained and educated for freedom."
Eventually, William was persuaded to join the campaign but he did not have much effect. Having retired in 1825, he did not play an important role. His fellow MP, Thomas Fowell Buxton continued to lead the abolition movement in Parliament. William Wilberforce died on 29 July 1833, a month before the Slavery Abolition Act was passed (an act which gave all slaves in the British Empire their freedom)."
22 comments:
Video 1: Good music and presentation. Interesting information.
I have not heard much about the Islamic slave trade.
Not surprising in today's political climate where Islam as a religion is rarely evaluated in the media.
Note: I realize what is viewed as radical Islam has been scrutinized.
thekingpin68,
Video 1: Good music and presentation. Interesting information.
Thanks!
satire and theology,
I have not heard much about the Islamic slave trade.
Not surprising in today's political climate where Islam as a religion is rarely evaluated in the media.
Yes, it has been hidden, ignored and not talked about in history. I will be posting an upcoming article that will address it further.
If you will watch all of the videos, you will see that the African elite were also responsible. So, not just Europeans, but Arabs; and not just Arabs, but Africans. All were responsible for slavery, and slavery has existed even thousands of years ago. The Europeans actually joined the slave trade very late in the game. However, it was the West that brought an end to slavery. Nevertheless, slavery still exists today in some nations. Christians are sold as slaves.
Pakistan Christian Children Sold as Slaves to Fund Islamic Militants
Christian Girls Drugged and Sold As Sex Slaves in Pakistan
Slavery exists today in China as well:
Children sold as slaves in rich Guangdong
Wikipedia: Arab Slave Trade
Wikipedia: Islam and Slavery
Answering Islam: Arabs and Slave Trade
Hey, wow, I just now found the same, exact videos posted on this EuropeNews blog! Interesting! (though this EuropeNews blog also contains other interesting links on the side, as well)
That blog article that I linked to in my last comment was posted on the same day that I posted mine! Huh. Interesting.
Saw this comment on the Jihad Watch website:
" Im.mad.as.HELL! | October 20, 2009 5:21 PM | Reply
Just watched all five clips of the history of the slave trade. It looks as though the slave history is correct based upon what I have read before. It is well worth the time to view the clips.
The most interesting part was the story of Prof. Tioud in the fifth clip. He presented the true history of slavery in Africa at a conference the reaction from his mixed African and European audience surprised him because of the rage and denial. Afterward some fellow Africans came and told him that what he had said was true but he should not have brought the subject up with whites present. The Europeans privately congratulated him on his bravery because he would be called a racist. The video goes on and explains the motives in a vague 'old scares take time to heal' way and it is a complex issue. I disagree with that POV.
My thoughts are that the Africans and Arabs had agreed (this was mentioned in the video) to secretly blame it on the Europeans and Americans. This is to gain advantage in the overall Jihad with the west and to possibly get Jizyah as well. The African see the money. The Arabs see Allah.
This also shows again that Islam's guilt will never be admitted. When in fact the slave trade was just a bad if not worse than what the west. The video made it clear that Africans were just as guilty in the slave business. It supported the economy of the Africa for hundreds of years and it has never been vetted of guilt. The current new African governments are gaming the lies for foreign aid."
The Scourge of Slavery: A comparison of the Islamic slave trade to the American slave trade
Two Views of The History of Islamic Slavery in Africa
Blogger was somewhat down for a couple of hours!!! Oh no.;)
Blogger was somewhat down for a couple of hours!!! Oh no.;)
Heh. I guess it must have been while I was sleeping. Glad its back up again.
Slavery is first mentioned in the Bible in the book of Genesis in part of the account of Noah. The account says that Noah became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent. Ham–--one of his sons--–entered the tent and saw his father naked. When Noah woke up he cursed Canaan, Ham's son, and said his descendants will be slaves of his brothers. (Genesis 9:20-27)
Another mention of slavery is in Leviticus 25: 44-46. It says: "44 Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."
While slavery was probably the norm in the ancient near east, the Israelites were specifically forbidden to take their fellow countrymen as permanent slaves. Exodus 21 makes some limited provision for the eventual liberation of slaves and certain minor protections against ill-treatment. The Torah also exhibits some concern for the well-being of foreign slaves living in Israel - e.g. the Sabbath rest is explicitly extended to slaves (Ex. 20:10).
God, in the Torah, is presented as the redeemer God, who delivers his people from slavery (e.g. Exodus 6.6). Slavery is thus seen as an undesirable and unnatural state of affairs.
"In 1784, William Wilberforce was converted to Evangelical Christianity. Wilberforce now became interested in social reform, in particular improving working conditions in factories. Millions of men, women and children had no choice but to work sixteen hours, six days a week in grim factories. People had come to the cities to find work but had been exploited and crowded together in filthy apartments. Here, they could easily catch cholera, typhoid, and tuberculosis.
Eventually, Lady Middleton (neè Albinia Townshend, elder sister of Thomas Townshend, 1st Viscount Sydney) approached Wilberforce and asked him to use his power as an MP to stop the slave trade. Wilberforce wrote "I feel the great importance of the subject and I think myself unequal to the task allotted to me," but he agreed to do his best. On 12 May 1789, Wilberforce made his first speech against the slave trade. He was now seen as one of the leaders of the anti-slave trade movement.
Most of William's fellow party members, Tories, were against any limits to the slave market but Wilberforce persisted. Even when his first bill, in 1791, was defeated by a landslide of 163 votes to 88, Wilberforce did not give up. In 1805 the House of Commons finally passed a law that made it illegal for any British subject to transport slaves but the House of Lords blocked it. In 1807, William Grenville made a speech saying that the slave trade was "contrary to the principles of justice, humanity and sound policy". This time, when the vote was taken, a huge majority in the House of Commons and the House of Lords backed the proposal. It became law on 25 March 1807. After 1807, with the support of friends such as Beilby Porteus, the Bishop of London, he continued to fight for the complete emancipation of slaves in the British Empire.
Although British captains were fined £100 for every slave that was found aboard their ship, this did not stop the trade. If a slave-ship was in danger of being captured by the Navy, the captain would order the slaves to be thrown overboard in order to reduce the fine. Some of the campaigners realized that the only way to stop slavery completely was to make it illegal. Wilberforce disagreed with this because he thought that both the slaves and their owners would suffer as a result. "It would be wrong to emancipate (the slaves). To grant freedom to them immediately would be to insure not only their masters' ruin, but their own. They must (first) be trained and educated for freedom."
Eventually, William was persuaded to join the campaign but he did not have much effect. Having retired in 1825, he did not play an important role. His fellow MP, Thomas Fowell Buxton continued to lead the abolition movement in Parliament. William Wilberforce died on 29 July 1833, a month before the Slavery Abolition Act was passed (an act which gave all slaves in the British Empire their freedom)."
from:
William Wilberforce
Sudanese Muslims - Stealing little Girls and Boys for the Arab Slavetrade
Islam's Shame - Modern Day Slave Trading(Part 1 of 2)
Islam's Shame - Modern Day Slave Trading(Part 2 of 2)
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