Tuesday, October 13, 2009

Islamic view of Christians

Islam has two views of Christians (which should not be surprising since, as noted in my recent posts, there is a duality in Islam). The first view is that Christianity and Islam are ‘brother’ religions. The second view is that Christians must change their religion to meet the demands of Islam. Modern Christians want to believe that there is a bridge between Islam and Christianity. But the history of Islam shows that Islam works first to deceive, and then annihilate, Christianity. For 1400 years, Islam has destroyed Christian lands.

The Christians do not play a pivotal role like the Jews did, in the formation of Islam. That is, the Koran does not have a lot to say about Christians. Nor does the Sira (the life of Mohammed) have much to say about Christians. But Islam's attitude toward Christians can be seen in some of the final days of Mohammed's life, when he sent out troops against the Christians in the North of Syria. It was Mohammed's intent to attack the Christians. Soon after he died, that's exactly what occurred. Though the Christians did not play a pivotal role in the formation of Islam, the Christians did, however, play a very important role in the history of Islam. Remember that all the Middle East, North Africa, and what we now call Turkey, was Christian.

Since these areas are Islamic today, there is a history there, but let's take a look at Islam through a more modern eye. Two days after 9/11, phone calls started going out to all of the churches, with the request: “Let us send a Muslim to your church, and he will tell you about Islam, the peaceful religion.” Well, one church decided to go one better. They invited a group of imams (the imams are Muslim religious leaders); they also invited several Christian ministers. The Christians arrived that night in groups of ones and twos. Then, about the time the meeting was to start, in came all the Muslims. The imams came in as a group onto the stage, and the Muslim men filed in next. They surrounded the Christians in their seats. And then, the Muslim women came in, all dressed in black, from head to toe, and they sat in the back of the room. As Muslim women, they knew what their place was in public gatherings.

The first thing that happened was, an imam walked up to the lectern and placed a very large Koran on top, and opened it up about half-way. This was a symbolic act that was indicative of the entire night. The Christians didn't think anything about it one way or the other, but for the Muslims, it was a mark of who they were.

You see, Islam is a word that means ‘submission.’ In Islam, ‘submission’ has several meanings. For the Muslim, it means to submit to the Koran, the will of Allah and the sunnah of Mohammed. In addition, all Muslims are to make all others who are not Muslims, submit to them. So, they were there to dominate. What the Muslims did was to place the Koran as the focal point of dominance, because this is where, normally, the Bible would have been. This act of dominance was symbolic of the entire night.

One of the imams got up and started to give his talk. He first said that Christians and Muslims worship the same God. Well, that seemed like a good foot to get started on. Of course, it is not true, but since the Christians did not know anything about the god Allah, that seemed fine to them. The imam said they, too, honor Jesus, because Jesus was a prophet of Allah, and Jesus was a Muslim. He also explained that Jesus was not the Son of God; He was merely a Muslim prophet. And for that matter, the apostles were also Muslims. This came perhaps as a surprise to the ministers, but they didn't say anything. The imam then went ahead to say that Jesus was not crucified, and therefore was not resurrected.

The next thing he told the Christians was that the concept of the Trinity was a great affront to Allah. There was no such thing as the Trinity, and such a doctrine made the Christians polytheists. The fact that Christians are viewed as polytheists explains something that happened at the beginning, when the Christian minister first said, “Let us pray together.” There was almost a panicked response from the imams at this. "No," they said, "No! We do not pray with others." This was quite puzzling to the Christian minister, but since the Christians were there as hosts, and they were there to be kind and polite, he didn't say anything. But you could tell from the puzzled look on the minister's face that he was thinking, “Why would they object to praying together?” The reason is that the Christians are viewed as polytheists. To pray with them is a terrible sin, so terrible in fact, that it has a special name: “shirk.” The Koran says that if they had prayed with the Christians, they would definitely go to Hell. Praying with the Christians would have been a sin worse than mass murder, for the Muslims.

Again, the Christians did not understand anything about Islam, or they would have never made the invitation to prayer. Or, they would have simply gone ahead and prayed, with the Muslims sitting there. The Muslims dominated at this point. Inside of a Christian Church, there would be no prayers with the Christians.

Another thing that the imam said in his talk was that the New Testament was a corrupt document, and was in error. Not only was the New Testament in error, but also, so was the Old Testament. But in particular, the reason that the New Testament was wrong was that Jesus' chief prophecy foretold that after him would come the final prophet, and his name would be Ahmed (‘Ahmed’ and ‘Mohammed’ are like ‘Bill’ and ‘William’). The imam said Christians had removed these prophecies from the New Testament. This was one of the many reasons that the New Testament was a document that was simply wrong. If Christians wanted to learn the real story of Jesus, what they would have to do was to read the Koran, because the Koran contains the exact truth about Isa, the Arabic word for Jesus.

[Note: Muslims claim that in one of the early codices of the Qur’an which Uthman ordered to be burnt, namely that of the expert reciter Ubayy ibn Ka’b, Surah 61.6 read somewhat differently. He omitted the conclusion "his name will be Ahmad" (ismuhu ahmad) and in its place records Jesus as saying that he was announcing a prophet who would bear the seal of Allah from his prophets and messengers (khatumullaahu bihil-anbiyaa’ wal-rusuli).]

Imagine if the Christian minister had stood up and made these assertions - that Mohammed was not a prophet of any sort; that the Koran was a derivative work; that is it was just a book in which things were copied from the Jews and Christians, Zoroastrians and the old Arabic religions; that Allah was simply the tribal moon god of the Koreish tribe. That is equivalent to what the Muslim minister said, but the Christians didn't do that for two reasons: One, they were the host, and they were going to be polite. The other reason was they had no idea that the Koran was a derivative work. In response to questions from the audience, none of the Christians had read the Koran, nor had they read the traditions of Mohammed (the hadith). Nor did they know anything about Mohammed's life. But, the imams had read the New Testament and the Old Testament, so they knew the Christian beliefs, and Christians knew nothing of them. This was the way the entire night went. The Muslims asked the Christians questions, and the questions that they asked were 1400 years old. These were stock questions, but the ministers were caught flat-footed. They had never thought about these kinds of questions before. Again, the Moslems came prepared, and the Christians were not prepared.

The lack of preparations by the Christians could be shown when one minister started talking badly about the Crusades and apologized for them. This meant he knew nothing about the Crusades. Yes, mistakes were made in the Crusades, but overall, they were a great good. Why were they a great good? It was one of the few times the Christians in Europe recognized the intense suffering of the Christians in the Middle East. The reasons the Crusades were started were simple. They came as a response to a cry for help. And why did these Christians cry for help? Because they were being murdered, robbed and taxed to death by their Muslim overlords.

Now how did these Muslims become their overlords? Well, originally that part of the world had been mostly Christian. It did not become Islamic because some imams showed up and started preaching in the marketplace. No; it was Islamic because the sword had been used to kill all those who would defend Christianity, and used to take over the government. So the Crusaders arrived in response to a desperate cry for help.

Basically the minister, with his comments, said he didn't know anything about the history of Christianity and Islam. This is tragic---dreadfully tragic. For over 60 million Christians have been killed in the process of jihad. How did Turkey, which is 99.7 percent Islamic, go from a Greek culture---a country called Anatolia---how did that country go from being Christian to Islamic? The Christians on the stage didn't know how this process happened, nor did they know that 60 million Christians have died in jihad. They also didn't know that in the 20th century alone, a million Armenians were killed in Turkey. Why didn't the ministers know these dreadful facts? Very simply, it's because they went to divinity school and no one ever mentioned these facts. They had never been taught the doctrine of Islam. They didn't know, for instance, that Islam is primarily a political ideology, not a religion.

Why don't they teach this at the universities and divinity schools? Well, nothing happens by accident. And in this case, the reason that Christians don't teach the history of Christianity and Islam is because the process whereby the Middle East, Turkey and North Africa all became Moslem is so dreadful, so painful--- even disgusting---that this horrible, tragic subject has been avoided altogether.

Islam has a political status for the Christians called being a ‘dhimmi.’ Although the Jews were the first dhimmis, the Christians were the biggest dhimmis of all…for one simple reason: there were far more of them. When the Muslims came in and took over the government, and implemented Islamic law---Sharia law---part of this included how Christians and Jews would be treated in public, and how they would be treated in the courts of law. It was dreadful. A dhimmi has no civil rights. So, this history of dhimmitude and special taxes that Christians had to pay, was dreadfully humiliating.

It's a shameful history that includes the death of 60 million Christians. None of the Christians up on the stage knew what happened to the seven churches of Asia. In the book of Revelation in the New Testament, the seven churches are addressed. The seven churches were in Asia Minor, which was Anatolia, or what we call Turkey today. They don't know what happened to those churches, which is a real tragedy. But the story of the destruction of those churches tells a large part of the history of Islam.

Those Christian ministers also had not studied enough about Islam to know that, not only had 60 million Christians been killed in jihad, but 80 million Hindus, 10 million Buddhists and 120 million Africans.

The Christians up on the stage that day didn't know enough to ask about slavery. You see, every slave that was sold to the white man on a wooden ship that brought them to America was bought from a Moslem wholesaler. The Christians didn't know enough to ask, why is it that when you say the Arabic word African, ‘abed,’ it's the same word that's used for a black slave. This night was a demonstration of two things: the knowledge and power of Islam; and how the Christians had not done their homework.

Christians, as well as all “kafirs,” should know how to use the Golden Rule to attack the Koran. Christians and all ‘kafirs’ should know the story of Mohammed.

All ‘kafirs’ should know enough about the Koran that when a Muslim claims that Christians, Jews and Muslims worship the same God, you can offer arguments to show how that is simply not true. The information is available. All ‘kafirs’ should know how to address those issues raised in the church, because everything that the Muslims said from the podium of that church, are the same things they say continually.

All ‘kafirs’---not only Christians---should be able to debate regarding the issue of political Islam---if not with a Muslim, then with anyone, at work or wherever, who brings up the subject. What actual argument can anybody make for being ignorant about the history of political Islam? You really can't. You must face any fears or hesitations you may have about studying political Islam, which may come from a sense of unease about the history of political Islam. There may be good reason that you feel uneasy or hesitant, but these fears must be faced.

One of the reasons that these fears must be faced is that this dreadful history of Islam is continuing and moving through our world today. As an example, Iraq, which used to be a majority Christian nation, is now only 3% Christian---and, of the refugees who are leaving Iraq, 30% are Christian. Why is it that they're being persecuted? That 1400-year history is continuing today in Iraq. All ‘kafirs’ should be made aware of this. In Africa, Christian Africans are being killed and destroyed almost on a daily basis. How can these people be helped?

What is done to Christians is also done to Hindus, Buddhists and atheists. Islam does not discriminate. All ‘kafirs’ must submit.

If you're aware of the history of Islam---if you're aware of its political doctrine---then you can be more useful. And, knowledge about Islam is not merely an ability to hold your own in public debate. Knowledge about Islam will sensitize you so that your politics change, so that you can see that not only has Islam killed 270 million ‘kafirs’ in the past, but it's continuing to do so today.

Islam is destroying ‘kafir’ civilizations on a daily basis. When a Christian is persecuted, a ‘kafir’ is persecuted. The way to prevent this destruction is very simple. It is through knowledge about Islam, knowledge about the Koran, and knowledge about Mohammed.

From Political Islam: Christians

"The indemnity for the death or injury of a woman is one-half the indemnity paid for a man. The indemnity paid for a Jew or Christian is one-third the indemnity paid for a Muslim. The indemnity paid for a Zoroastrian is one-fifteenth that of a Muslim." -- 'Umdat al-Salik, o4.9

"Thus if [a] Muslim commits adultery his punishment is 100 lashes, the shaving of his head, and one year of banishment. But if the man is not a Muslim and commits adultery with a Muslim woman his penalty is execution...Similarly if a Muslim deliberately murders another Muslim he falls under the law of retaliation and must by law be put to death by the next of kin. But if a non-Muslim who dies at the hand of a Muslim has by lifelong habit been a non-Muslim, the penalty of death is not valid. Instead the Muslim murderer must pay a fine and be punished with the lash.... Since Islam regards non-Muslims as on a lower level of belief and conviction, if a Muslim kills a non-Muslim...then his punishment must not be the retaliatory death, since the faith and conviction he possesses is loftier than that of the man slain...Again, the penalties of a non-Muslim guilty of fornication with a Muslim woman are augmented because, in addition to the crime against morality, social duty and religion, he has committed sacrilege, in that he has disgraced a Muslim and thereby cast scorn upon the Muslims in general, and so must be executed....Islam and its peoples must be above the infidels, and never permit non-Muslims to acquire lordship over them." -- Sultanhussein Tabandeh, A Muslim Commentary on the Universal Declaration of Human Rights


thekingpin68 said...

'The first view is that Christianity and Islam are ‘brother’ religions.'

John 14:6 demonstrates the exclusivity of Christ for salvation.

The Christian religion has no counterparts.

'The second view is that Christians must change their religion to meet the demands of Islam. Modern Christians want to believe that there is a bridge between Islam and Christianity. But the history of Islam shows that Islam works first to deceive, and then annihilate, Christianity. For 1400 years, Islam has destroyed Christian lands.'

Reasonable point.

thekingpin68 said...

Thanks for the blog conference post. It would likely be interesting.

I posted the bull event, apparently from Portugal. I do not agree with it ethically, but it is funny.

Jeff said...

Thanks for the blog conference post. It would likely be interesting.

You're welcome, Russ. If there was more of an advance notification, and if I had the money, it would be very interesting to attend.

Cloudia said...

Look to God, all will be well.

Aloha, Friend!

Comfort Spiral

Jeff said...

Thank you, Cloudia!

thekingpin68 said...

Jeff, thanks for the Revelation contribution. Also, thanks for sharing the learning in regard to Islam on my blogs.

Jeff said...

Jeff, thanks for the Revelation contribution. Also, thanks for sharing the learning in regard to Islam on my blogs.

You're welcome, Russ.

thekingpin68 said...

Thanks, Jeff.

More bulls in comments...

Jeff said...

Muslims Behead Four Ex-Muslim Christian Orphanage Workers

Jeff said...

Ex-Muslim Christian Missionary Beheaded by Islamic Militants

Jeff said...

Toronto imam preaching 'hate instead of harmony'

Jeff said...

The following are some Egyptian Christian sites that monitor the work of Islamic terrorism in Egypt:

Copts United

Coptic Assembly

Coptic News

Egypt For Christ


Jeff said...

PAKISTAN – Teenager Abducted by Muslims – VOM Contacts

On Sept. 16, The Voice of the Martyrs received reports that Sidra, a Christian teenage girl, was abducted by Muslims in Pakistan. The Voice of the Martyrs contacts reported she was with family members when 16 Muslims isolated her and her brother, and then beat him badly and abducted her. Sidra... Read More’s father and mother are frantic and are requesting prayer for their daughter’s safe return. This is the second time Sidra has been abducted by Muslims. In February 2008, she was abducted while getting ready for school and was held in captivity for eight months. While being held Sidra was violated and Muslims attempted to force her to deny Christ, but she refused. Recently the family was holding prayer meetings in their neighborhood and praying for Muslims in their home. They believe this upset local Muslims and led to the abduction.

Anonymous said...

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Nice blog, the content in this blog is very useful to the people who are looking out for islamic knowledge.

Jeff said...

Islam is not a "religion of peace," despite desperate insistence by former President George W. Bush (R) and President Barack Obama (D).

Every three minutes a Christian is being tortured in the Muslim world, and in 2009, more than 165,000 Christians were killed because of their faith, most of them in Muslim countries, according to a human rights organization.

"Hamas digs up the bodies of Christians from Christian burial sites in the Gaza Strip claiming that they pollute the earth," said Reverend Majed El Shafie, President of One Free World International (OFWI).

"Furthermore," claims El Shafie in a report by Matthew Wagner in the Jerusalem Post, "between 200-300 million Christians are being persecuted in the world, 80 percent of whom lived in Muslim countries and the rest in communist and other countries."

For instance, in Saudi Arabia, Christians--and those of other religions--cannot bring in their Bibles, or holy books, or other religious symbols; in Egypt, Coptic Christians are routinely harassed and churches ransacked. Jews are not allowed in Saudi Arabia unless by rarely granted special permission; by law, Jews are not allowed to live in Jordan.

And yet, the politically correct claim that the violent, terrorist Muslims are not typical of their faith, although few Muslims stand up to denounce the evil that is being done in the name of Islam, while many agree with the terror.

Jeff said...

Iran: Christians Arrested

On Dec. 17, 2009, security police and undercover officers attacked a Christmas gathering of more than 70 newly converted Christians in the city of Karaj, Iran, according to Farsi Christian News.

Officers photographed and videotaped the believers and also confiscated Bibles, Christian books and a computer. Christians were told they must be available during the period leading up to formal and legal interrogations and that they must appear before prosecutors when ordered. Two of the leaders of the group, Kambiz Saghaee and Ali Keshvar-Doost, were arrested.

At last report, Saghaee and Keshvar-Doost remained in detention at an undisclosed location, and their families had neither been able to contact them nor received confirmation from police of their whereabouts.

Jeff said...

Indonesia: Muslims Destroy Church

On Dec. 17, 2009, a mob of nearly 1,000 Muslims attacked a church building under construction in Bekasi Regency, near Jakarta, the capital city of Indonesia, according to VOM Canada.

At midnight, Muslims arrived on bikes and on foot at the Church of Saint Albert. They stormed into the building, carrying banners and tanks of kerosene. One witness reported hearing them shout, “Destroy! Destroy it! Replace the church with mosque!” Muslims damaged bricks, broke lights, uprooted newly planted trees and set the building on fire.

Damage amounted to about 60 million rupees (approximately $6,235). Local Christians were planning to use the nearly completed building for a Christmas service.

Jeff said...

Pakistani Muslims Gun Down Christian Friend

They order him to convert to Islam or die, after accusing him of murder.

MUREEDKAY, Pakistan, December 21 (CDN) — A group of Muslims shot their Christian friend dead this month on the outskirts of this town after saying they would spare his life only if he recanted his faith, according to the young man’s father.

The friends of Patras Masih, who died from gunshot wounds on Dec. 3 in Karol village, Punjab Province, issued the ultimatum to him after accusing him of the murder of their friend Anees Mahammad. An autopsy reported showed Mahammad died from toxic alcohol earlier that day.

Patras Masih’s father, Gulzar Masih, said his son was at home on that day, had no contact with Mahammad, and that his friends accused him of the murder only because he refused to recant Christianity and embrace Islam.

On Dec. 1, Mahammad and three other Muslim friends of Patras Masih – Sohail Muhammad, Imran Muhammad and Amir Muhammad – had arrived with unknown Muslim men and asked Masih to help them find liquor, Gulzar Masih told Compass. Pakistani law forbids Muslims from buying or consuming alcohol. Locally brewed liquor in rural areas of Pakistan can be fatally toxic; this month 14 people died from locally brewed, toxic liquor in Pakistan’s Punjab Province, news website Express India reported today.

“On that night,” Gulzar Masih said, “I also heard them saying in a commanding way in the drawing room of our house, ‘You [Patras Masih] ought to accept Islam and recant your faith, otherwise you and your family will be responsible for the dire consequences.’”

Patras Masih held fast to his faith, his father said; leaving with his Muslim friends, he bought them a couple of bottles of liquor and returned home.

His voice full of grief, Gulzar Masih said that on Dec. 3, his son’s three Muslim friends arrived at their doorway yelling that he had killed Mahammad, and that they would spare his life only if he converted to Islam. They accused Patras Masih of serving Mahammad a toxic drink in their home the previous day.

When Patras Masih refused to recite the Islamic conversion creed, his father said, Sohail Muhammad, Imran Muhammad and Amir Muhammad sprayed bullets at his chest, killing him instantly.

“My son bravely refused to recant Christianity and clung to Christ,” Gulzar Masih said, dejected but with a small smile on his face. “He bravely embraced martyrdom.”

He said these same three friends on several occasions had pressured Patras Masih to convert to Islam, “but my son never accepted their invitation and always turned down their request to recant Christianity in a healthy and polite manner.”

When his father asked him about his friends’ Dec. 1 threats, Patras Masih told him that they often insisted that he become a Muslim. Though the young men had been friends since childhood, Gulzar Masih told his son to stop seeing them, he said.

Sternly denying that his son was capable of killing a human being., he pointed out that Patras Masih’s friends accused him of serving Mahammad a toxic drink at Masih’s home on Dec. 2, but that Mahammad died on Dec. 3.

“Surely it is a conspiracy against him because he refused to meet their unreasonable demands,” the frail, bereaved father said. “They were ready to spare him only if he converted to Islam by reciting the holy Kalima [Islamic affirmation of faith], an emblem that one has become a Muslim.”

He said that all four Muslim men had been friends of Patras Masih since childhood.

Gulzar Masih said that Ferozewala police have registered a murder case against the three suspects, but that they are all still at large and his family is vulnerable to further attacks.

Jeff said...

Below are the actual voting records of various Arabic/Islamic States which are recorded in both the US State Department and United Nations records:

Kuwait votes against the United States 67% of the time

Qatar votes against the United States 67% of the time

Morocco votes against the United States 70% of the time

United Arab Emirates votes against the U. S. 70% of the time.

Jordan votes against the United States 71% of the time.

Tunisia votes against the United States 71% of the time.

Saudi Arabia votes against the United States 73% of the time.

Yemen votes against the United States 74% of the time.

Algeria votes against the United States 74% of the time.

Oman votes against the United States 74% of the time.

Sudan votes against the United States 75% of the time.

Pakistan votes against the United States 75% of the time.

Libya votes against the United States 76% of the time.

Egypt votes against the United States 79% of the time.

Lebanon votes against the United States 80% of the time.

India votes against the United States 81% of the time.

Syria votes against the United States 84% of the time.

Mauritania votes against the United States 87% of the time.


U S Foreign Aid to those that hate the U.S.:

Egypt, for example, after voting 79% of the time against the United States, still receives $2 billion annually in US Foreign Aid.

Jordan votes 71% against the United States
And receives $192,814,000 annually in US Foreign Aid.

Pakistan votes 75% against the United States
Receives $6,721,000 annually in US Foreign Aid.

India votes 81% against the United States
Receives $143,699,000 annually.



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